Most people that I talked to during the pandemic who had been negatively affected by the pandemic, because not everybody was, but most people were, you know, were saying things like, you know what, I should have planned better.

Meaning that holding sadness and grief in a high regard had much more value than trying to circumvent it or to get through it.

Emotionally healing is about, you know, it’s not about moving on, it’s about moving through.

And so here in Chicago, and I really was having this conversation earlier where the pastor who goes out and every time there’s a shooting, and he talked about the grief process, that some of the students don’t get a chance to really understand what it means to go through it, really just what you’re saying.